Posts by defender of truth

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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

by DATA-DOG in

as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

defender of truth

Very interesting, thank you.. And a scriptural example of an overlapping generation? I'll read your reply tomorrow.

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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

by DATA-DOG in

as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

[non-watchtower]
NIV Study Bible Notes(1995 Edition)
Matthew 10:23: "Jesus' saying here is probably best understood as referring to his coming in judgment on the Jews when Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed in A.D. 70." (Matt 10:23)
..I'll think about what you said though. At least you guys reply in a straightforward way. Need to sleep, and I must stop posting. Night.

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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

by DATA-DOG in

as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

defender of truth

What did Heavensgate mean, though?
And why can't anyone explain the overlapping generations without reading it straight from the Watchtower? Anyway, good night.

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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

by DATA-DOG in

as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

defender of truth

Dismissing servant:
"w77 3/1 pp. 159-160 Questions From Readers
What did Jesus mean when he told his apostles that some of them would see him coming in his kingdom before they died?

But how were Jesus’ words in Matthew 16:25 fulfilled? Often the meaning of a verse is suggested by its context. In this case, all three Gospel accounts of Jesus’ promise about seeing him in his kingdom lead immediately into the record of the transfiguration.
About a week after saying what he did at Matthew 16:28, Jesus took "some of" the apostles (Peter, James and John) up on a lofty mountain, likely Mount Hermon. There he was transfigured to appear in a vision with Moses and Elijah. And God said: "This is my Son, the one that has been chosen. Listen to him."—Luke 9:28-35; Matt. 17:1-5; Mark 9:2-6.
The transfiguration was a vision of Jesus in Kingdom power and heavenly glory, as Peter later confirmed...
So,it appears that when Jesus said that before they died some of the apostles would see him in his kingdom, he was referring to the transfiguration scene that some of them witnessed shortly afterward."

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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

by DATA-DOG in

as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

defender of truth

Awake 69:"this corrupt System is due to end in a few years."
..Heavensgate:"It was not meant as a literal interpretation..
People with a clear understanding wouldn’t have bothered with the seminally controversial last portion of that paragraph. 'System is due to end in a few years.' This is obviously an oversight of the writer back then."
..I think I understand you here. The Faithful Slave allowed a statement to be published with the wrong wording. They said few when they clearly meant to say in the near but undetermined future. Is that it, in a nutshell?
Heavensgate: "Is it false? NO. Even Jesus was proclaiming the End Times in his era."..You seem to be making less sense now. Are you saying here that Jesus said the end was going to come within a generation, and then it didn't happen?? Can you explain the comparison to Jesus Christ, please? Thanks for the reply, I really hope you can give a clear explanation of the overlapping generation teaching from the Bible, if you get time to.

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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

by DATA-DOG in

as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

defender of truth

No, I don't agree that he is a troll. He is clearly a fellow Witness of Jehovah, and calling our doctrine 'stupid' or his discussion 'insane' is both unkind and unhelpful.
I'm waiting for him to reply, insulting each other just goes to show why more witnesses don't post here. Heavensgate, can you reply to me when you get chance? Thanks.

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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

by DATA-DOG in

as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

defender of truth

Heavensgate, please look at this as an example of simplicity:
Matthew 6:26 Observe intently the birds of heaven; they do not sow seed or reap or gather into storehouses, yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth more than they are?

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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

by DATA-DOG in

as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

defender of truth

Heavensgate: I know you're not my teacher, what has that got to do with it? If I start asking questions at my Hall, about the overlapping generation not having Scriptural precedent or why does the 69 awake teach an interpretation as fact?..I could draw suspicion.
I understood your explanation of even angels worshipping Jesus, I have been listening to you, but you seem to have difficulty giving direct and understandable answers.. You still have avoided answering the two main issues I am having trouble with, and you haven't explained the sentence about 'in time and context Jesus being superior to the Father' from pages ago.
People here, even if some are a bit strange, at least have replied to what I have said. All you do is condescend me and say things like..

""Your blatant disregard for quest of knowledge is there for superficial....My insults have been none.""
..Charming, I get shown all these quotes that I can't believe we printed, you ignore them and don't explain clearly what you are even saying, then you insult me again by saying I am being superficial!
I tell you what mate, it would take an expert in hieroglyphics to decipher what you are saying sometimes.
To say that anyone who doesn't understand your post is blind is incredibly arrogant, and not very Christian. I am trying. Finally..

Heavensgate:"Why don't people understand?....Jesus expected people to understand His teaching."

.. Because Jesus was a great teacher, and he used clear and simple illustrations. Your posts would confuse a growing tree. Good day.

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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

by DATA-DOG in

as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

defender of truth

Anyway, to those here at JWN..
Thank you for your replies and (mainly) your patience with me up to now, even if we don't agree, especially to Problemaddict who has put up with insults from me and not responded in kind. I'll take a rain check on the blood discussion, thanks, there is too much going on in my head and my life at the moment as it is, and that is a clear scriptural command to me..
I will take a look back over everything that's been said and read any replies on the issues that we've talked about, but I need a break from talking here. Don't worry if I stop posting, I need time to think now.
I don't think Heavensgate is going to give any clear answers anytime soon, he seems to avoid what I have asked, so I might have a look at jwfacts after all.. Good night.

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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

by DATA-DOG in

as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

defender of truth

Heavensgate:"If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things.."
..Thanks for replying, but you still seem to have ignored what I'm saying, or maybe I just need it to be explained more simply. (this is driving me crazy!!)
You WILL NEVER GROW OLD. They describe this as a FACT. And why? Because..
"Of the generation that observed the beginning of the 'last days' in 1914, Jesus foretold:’ this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.' Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career.."
.. Look at the word 'therefore'. The article uses Jesus' words as a guarantee of what they are going to say next..
So because of the interpretation at that time of the length of a generation, (which at least made sense to me whereas the whole overlapping teaching appears to have no Scriptural precedent and has bugged me for ages, unless I've missed something somewhere), we apparently used the phrase there 'you WILL never'. YOU WILL NEVER!!
Our interpretation at that time was stated as a fact, even though at the end of the day it was just the reasoning of fallible men.. And Jehovah let them print that..?
How else can you read it??